Monday, April 06, 2009

Conditioned for War?

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57 percent of Americans want military action taken against North Korea for firing its three stage missile.

So after six years of sinking trillions into two moronic wars which have benefited only a few and wasted an entire nation with still no real end in sight 57 percent of Americans want more? You go figure.

Apparently the propaganda used for scaring Americans is working.

6 Comments:

At April 06, 2009 7:50 PM, Blogger M. Pyre said...

When I read this statistic earlier today, over at Antiwar.com, I started wondering what other causes might arise, aside from missile testing, to make Obama beat war drums against N Korea.

In an essay today at CounterPunch, Prof Michael Hudson talked about the G20 summit and said that at the summit, Korea argued that banks have a fiduciary responsibility to help their customers, and not take advantage of them (or worse).

Could there be a connection?

 
At April 06, 2009 8:43 PM, Blogger Jonathan Versen said...

I don't know guys-- Rasmussen Reports has a reputation for juicing their polls to get right-wing friendly results.

(Which is not to deny that large numbers of Americans are pretty-brain dead on this particular issue, and on pretty much any conflict in which a leader of a non-caucasian country has an agenda that conflicts with the US's long-term foreign policy goals, even if most Americans don't make that particular connection, and just go with the guy on teevee telling us it's because leader X is crazy, as it saves time and precious brain energy to take it at face value.

but I note this from the Rasmussen folks:

"Just three percent (3%) of voters view North Korea as an ally while 46% say it’s an enemy. Surprisingly, the latter number is down 14 points from a survey in mid-February despite North Korea's belligerent talk before the missile launch.

Forty-four percent (44%) now say North Korea is somewhere between an ally and an enemy, while eight percent (8%) are not sure.

Sixty-four percent (64%) of Republicans consider North Korea an enemy of the United States. That view is shared by 50% of unaffiliateds and 28% of Democrats. Most Democrats (57%) place North Korea somewhere between ally and enemy."

 
At April 06, 2009 8:52 PM, Blogger M. Pyre said...

I hear ya Jonathan, but even giving them a 20-25% goose factor, that's still a large number of Americans who want to bomb Korea -- where Korea hasn't done a thing to the USA.

It's such a tantrum-in-a-sandbox response, and the scary thing is that people are frightened and trigger-happy right now, and the economy is just going further and further downhill, always picking up speed... and that can't help but make things worse, more jittery, more trigger-happy.

People are being spun frequently, as the Obama worship deftly proves.

 
At April 06, 2009 8:56 PM, Blogger Jonathan Versen said...

oh, and appart from forgetting to close that last parenthesis, here's that Rasmussen link, just in case the poligazette link goes south.

..:).

 
At April 07, 2009 7:47 PM, Blogger rob payne said...

M. Pyre,

I think the main cause for Obama beating the war drums regarding North Korea is that North Korea is defying the U.S. with its rocket launches. And since governments act like and indeed are gangsters, though hiding behind a thin veneer of respectability, they cannot let anyone defy them lest others begin to get the same idea, just like in the old gangster movies.

Jonathan,

I think polls are generally (not always) fairly accurate though of course how a question is asked plays a role in how it is answered. If they asked “which would you rather do, shoot yourself in the head or bomb North Korea?” it would certainly be an invalid poll. But I have to agree with M. Pyre that in the end there is a significant segment of the population who are scared by what they read and hear about North Korea in the news.

 
At April 08, 2009 7:00 AM, Blogger M. Pyre said...

Rob -- I think you're right on target with that one.

I do wonder how other nations' criticism of our federal financial finnageling (a/k/a The Mighty Corporate Heist of Taxpayer Dollars) is going to play out on a global scale. The statements Korea made regarding banking, they go to the very heart of robber baron capitalism's primary flaw. A lot of people are rich and powerful thanks to that flaw, and they're not going to have much tolerance for its existence, and the attendant immorality and inhumanity of its operation, being exposed to the American people.

I mean, they tried to assassinate Hugo Chavez, and engineered a coupo in his country, because they fear socialist thought taking some foothold.

But you're right that the defiance on missile testing is the trigger for bold declaration.

 

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